ATTENDING: Deborah Leser (Sully), Bill Niedringhaus (Dranesville), Bruce
Wright (Hunter Mill), Tony Matos (Lee), Kevin Brugman (Mount Vernon), Donald
Emerson (Providence), Bunyan Bryant (Mason), Michael Shannon (Springfield),
Joan Edwards (Clifton Horse Society), Walter Brodtman (WABA), Kate Rudacille
(NVRPA), Ann Bennett (At-Large), and Jenny Pate (FCPA)
STAFF ATTENDING: Sheng-Jieh Leu, DPZ and Randall Flowers, DPW & ES
GUESTS: Nick Gramenopoulos, Occoquan Watershed Coalition - Trails
Subcommittee
Chairman Michael Shannon called the meeting to order at 7:40. Introductions
were performed for the benefit of guests and staff members.
MINUTES: Mr. Emerson moved and Ms. Pate seconded that the minutes be
approved as distributed. The minutes were approved unanimously.
BICYCLE ROUTE MAP: Mr. Brodtman commented that the map that the BOS
requested of staff in the fall was a map of bicycle routes, not trails. Mr.
Leu stated that Charlie Strunk of Fairfax DOT was handling that request.
NATURAL SURFACE TRAILS: Mr. Niedringhaus stated that Fairfax Trails and
Streams' position on natural surface trails was that they were appropriate
in certain circumstances as interim trails until the final construction
could take place and where topography mandates.
CHAIRMAN'S REPORT: Mr. Shannon provided copies of Alexandria and Arlington
trail maps for the committee to review and distributed copies of the letter
that he sent to Chairman Hanley concerning snow removal.
PROPOSED EVENTS FOR NATIONAL TRAILS DAY - Ms. Pate (FCPA): Fairfax Trails
and Streams (FTAS) would like to celebrate the opening of the Cross County
Trail on National Trails Day. FCPA will coordinate this effort at the
request of the BOS. The following issues were discussed:
- Temporary signposts manufactured by FCPA will be set up in each
magisterial district.
- Some districts may need to combine events with other contiguous districts.
- Care must be taken to coordinate with Springfield Days.
- Lee and Braddock Districts may combine at Lake Accotink.
- Clifton Horse Society usually does a trail ride.
- WABA has had events in the past associated with Trails Day.
- Locations for events should be proposed which will not make land
acquisition more difficult.
- District representatives are asked to coordinate signpost sites with Mr.
Niedringhaus of FTAS.
- District representatives are asked to invite the district supervisor to
attend the ceremony.
- Mr. Brodtman suggested a motto for the cross county trail of "Connecting
Places, Connecting People".
- Mr. Wright asked the deadline for signpost sits determination and was told
that March 15 would be helpful.
EXISTING TRAILS MAP: Mr. Leu presented a sample map to the committee. The
sample was a 1:4000 scale map similar in size and print to the current
Trails Plan map. The committee asked why the sample did not correspond with
the committee's request at the February meeting to have four maps. Mr. Leu
stated that the mapmaker believed that one map would be easier to use. The
committee's ensuing discussion included the following items.
- The maps needed to be of a larger scale.
- The maps needed to be of a smaller area - few users would cover the entire
county in one trip.
- An overlapping quadrant map would be useful, perhaps with a smaller scale
map showing the quadrant's position in the county.
- The committee members would like to distinguish trails by usage if
possible.
- Mr. Brugman suggested that the map simply identify a trail or trail
segment as natural surface or hard surface. This would allow users to
determine the appropriateness of the trail for their purposes.
- Has all the information from the aerial maps been checked with a field
visit? Mr. Leu said that many trails had been field checked but not all.
- The issue of trails on private property - such as those owned by HOA's
without public access easements - was discussed. The committee would like
for them to be removed from the map if possible, however the difficulty of
distinguishing which are private whether on site or from the aerial photos
was discussed.
- The overall size of the map was fine.
- The committee assumes that the costs will be passed along to purchasers.
- Mr. Flowers showed the committee the map book used by county staff and
discussed whether it was a suitable model for the trail map.
The committee asked Mr. Leu to return in April with four maps - one for each
quadrant of the county using the suggestions provided at this meeting and
the February meeting. He agreed to do so.
DISCUSSION ON THE JANUARY 2000 MEETING MOTION THAT THE COMMITTEE RECOMMEND
TO THE BOS THAT A MEMBER BE APPOINTED FROM THE POTOMAC APPALACHIAN TRAIL
CLUB: In February Ms. Leser asked that the committee discuss the motion,
made but not seconded, in order to explain the reasons for the motion's lack
of support. Reasons that the committee members discussed included:
- the difficulty of choosing one pedestrian hikers group rather than another
and the impact that this might have on other specific user groups such as
bicycle or equestrian groups;
- the belief that district representatives represent all of the various
trail users in their districts;
- the historical makeup of the committee.
Mr. Niedringhaus explained that the PATC maintained two trails in Fairfax
County - the Bull Run Occoquan Trail and the Upper Potomac Trail. The PATC
also has a history of volunteerism in maintaining equestrian and hiking
trails.
PRESENTATION ON CURRENT REQUESTS FOR TRAIL OR SIDEWALK FUNDING BY DISTRICT:
Mr. Flowers has compiled a list of projects that DPW and ES has been asked
to consider for funding. He plans to attend the committee meetings each
month between March and July to assist the committee in the preparation of
the budget request for FY2001. He distributed lists to each members with
projects listed as well as available funds and contingency funds. For the
benefit of newer members, Mr. Flowers discussed briefly the method by which
trails have been build by the county and by developers in the county.
Mr. Flowers stated that Steve Aitcheson of DPW's maintenance division would
like to attend the April meeting to discuss the backlog of trails needing
maintenance in the county. Currently the county allocates fifty thousand
dollars for maintenance annually. Mr. Aitcheson would like for those
districts with funds available to consider using the contingency funds for
maintenance.
Mr. Flowers and Mr. Shannon recommended that district representatives
coordinate with the supervisors' offices to develop a list of projects for
which funding is desired for FY 2001. Mr. Flowers would like a prioritized
countywide list from the committee in May.
Mr. Flowers explained to the committee that the county executive has
recommended in his proposed budget that one million dollars be spent on
Trails and Walkways.
Mr. Brugman noted that one of the reasons that some districts have unspent
funds is because DPW and ES is far behind in the design and construction of
currently funded projects. Mr. Flowers explained the shortage of staff in
the department - largely due to the inability to hire into existing
positions. The committee discussed recommending that the BOS facilitate
staff hiring to reduce the backlog of projects.
OLD BUSINESS:
Ann Bennett asked the committee to consider two more policy issues in the
preparation of a new county trail plan:
- Small plans do not have to do frontage improvements leaving numerous
small gaps in the system of walkways. She asked that the actual policy be
determined by the committee and some provision be made for these small gaps.
- Throughout the county many linking surfaces - such as access roads -
serve as trails or sidewalks. How can these be most safely linked with the
system of walkways? Signage, paint stripping, and directional arrows are
several ways listed by Mr. Flowers. Mr. Leu stated that the existing policy
is to accept an access road and sidewalk in lieu of eight foot asphalt trail
if the access road already exists.
NEW BUSINESS:
* Ms. Leser asked if the committee members could get the tax map books
provided to county staff that Mr. Flowers showed tonight. Mr. Flowers said
that he would try to get them for the committee members.
* Ms. Leser explained that several cases have come to her attention in which
developers have proffered to escrow trails at the initial zoning hearings
and vote by the BOS. The developers understand that escrowing will probably
not be allowed and the trails not waived at the site plan stage and are
attempting to bypass this difficulty by proffering to escrow before the
trail representatives are aware of the applications. Mr. Leu stated that
several of these cases occurred before the Zoning Coordinators were warned
to check for this in the proffer packages. Zoning coordinators have since
been informed of this problem and may be less likely to let this provision
be included in proffers.
MOTION: by Ms. Leser and seconded by Ms. Bennett that the committee write a
letter to the Chairman of the BOS requesting two items.
- An opinion from the county attorney on whether an applicant can legally
proffer less than their legal obligation to provide specific public
improvements such as trails.
- An assessment of the current system staff uses to determine escrow
amounts for waived structures such as trails or bridges and the development
of a method that will ensure that the county has sufficient funds to
construct the waived structure at the appropriate time.
The motion passed unanimously.
* Mr. Emerson reminded the committee that the budget hearings will take
place soon and that the committee members discuss at their next meeting
their position on funding for trails.
* The committee members agreed by consensus to send letters thanking Mike
Martin, Chris Gribbs, and Jim Hart for their work on the committee.
The meeting was adjourned at 9:33 p.m.
Minutes submitted by Deborah Rimmer Leser, Secretary.