October 4, 2000 Minutes - Trails and Sidewalks Committee


ATTENDING: Ann Bennett (At-Large), Walter Brodtman (WABA), Joan Edwards (Clifton Horse Society), Michael Shannon (Springfield), Kevin Brugman (Mount Vernon), Tony Matos (Lee), Bruce Wright (Hunter Mill), Bill Niedringhaus (Dranesville), Chet McLaren (Braddock), Deborah Leser (Sully) Karen Lanham and Jenny Pate (FCPA), Mark Trostle, NVBIA, and Clay Peters (FCCCA)

STAFF ATTENDING: Sheng Jieh Leu and David Marshall (DPZ).

GUESTS: Charles Smith (Occoquan Watershed Coalition).

Chairman Michael Shannon called the meeting to order at 7:44 p.m.

MINUTES: The minutes were approved unanimously after a motion was made by Mr. Brodtman and seconded by Mr. Brugman.

TRAIL PLAN REVIEW:

The committee continued its review of the Trail Plan Review for the Out of Turn Plan Amendment. Mr. Niedringhaus presented a new plan for Dranesville District on Sheet 4 of the new Worksheet prepared by Mr. Leu. Mr. Niedringhaus pointed out that Item 9 on Sheet 4 is an entirely new item. Six other new items were presented on Sheet 5 of the worksheet. These items are an alternative on-road bicycle route that would involve signage only and possibly construction of shoulders in the future.

Extensive discussion ensued. The primary issues were:

  • The need for asphalt trails in the center of Great Falls due to the commercial nature of the area.
  • The need for sensitivity to historical and environmental concerns.
  • The question of who will maintain the stonedust trails in light of Fairfax County's Maintenance division's policy of providing only tree removal and similar service.
  • A discussion of the suitability of the proposed alternatives on Sheet 5 as an on-road bicycle route. It is a winding, hilly and narrow series on roads.
  • The recognition of the tremendous effort made by the Great Falls Trail Blazers and the funds and time they have devoted to this proposal.

MOTION: Mr. Peters moved that Items 1 (Georgetown Pike), 2 (Georgetown Pike), 3 (Walker Rd.) and 4 (Colvin Run Rd) on Sheet 4 be changed from "equestrian and bicycle" to "stonedust" and that Items 1 (Towleston Rd.), 2 (Peacock Station Rd.), 3 (Georgetown Pike), 4 (River Bend Rd.), 5 (Beach Mill Rd), and 6 (Springvale Rd) on Sheet 5 be designated as "on-road bicycle routes" except that Beach Mill Road be extended to the Loudoun County line. Mr. Niedringhaus seconded the motion.

Ms. Bennett proposed an amendment to the motion to include delete the changes to Sheet 5 and to add asphalt to the section of Georgetown Pike that intersects with Walker Road. Mr. Peters did not accept the amendment.

The vote was:

 

YES No Abstained
Mr. Niedringhaus Mr. Trostle Lanham
Ms. Edwards Mr. Brugman  
Mr. Peters Mr. Brodtman  
Mr. Matos Mr. Wright  
Mr. Shannon Ms. Bennett  
Mr. McLaren Ms. Leser  

The motion failed.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that Items 5 (Captain Hick Run), 6 (Jefferson Branch), 7 (Nichols Run), 8 (Loran Rd Extension), and 9 (Captain Hickory Run) on Sheet 4 be accepted as proposed. Mr. McLaren seconded the motion.

The vote was:

YES No Abstained
Mr. Niedringhaus Mr. Brodtman None
Ms. Edwards    
Mr. Peters    
Mr. Matos    
Mr. Shannon    
Mr. McLaren    
Mr. Brugman    
Mr. Trostle    
Mr. Wright    
Ms. Lanham    
Ms. Bennett    
Ms. Leser    

The motion passed.

Mr. Wright described the changes in the Hunter Mill District.

MOTION: Mr. Wright moved that Item 1 on Sheet 6 (Sunrise Valley Dr.) be changed from no designation to Minor Paved. The motion passed unanimously with Mr. Matos absent.

MOTION: Mr. Wright moved that Item 2 on Sheet 6 (Sunset Hills Rd) be changed from no designation to Major Paved. The motion passed unanimously.

MOTION: Mr. Wright moved that Item 3 on Sheet 6 (Pinecrest Rd) be changed from no designation to Minor Paved. The motion passed unanimously.

MOTION: Mr. Wright moved that Item 4 on Sheet 6 (Garrett St.) be changed from no designation to Minor Paved. The motion passed unanimously.

After discussion concerning items 5 through 7 on Sheet 6, Mr. Wright asked the committee to defer these items until the next meeting.

Mr. Wright described the items on Sheet 7 to the committee members. All items are being recommended as on-road bicycle routes. Some have concrete sidewalk and some have asphalt trail already. All are already being used by cyclists as bicycle routes.

MOTION: Mr. Wright moved that items 1 (Glade Dr), 2 (Twin Branches Rd.), 3 (Town Centre Pkwy), 4 (Bennington Wood), 5 (N. Village Rd), and 6 (N. Shore Rd.) be designated on-road bicycle routes. Mr. Brugman seconded the motion. Discussion involved questions of usefulness of the designation as well as a recommendation that this designation may be more appropriate to the existing trails map rather than to the Trail Plan.

The vote was:

YES NO
Ms. Lanham Mr. McLaren
Mr. Shannon Ms. Bennett
Mr. Wright Ms. Leser
Mr. Brodtman Mr. Matos
Mr. Brugman Mr. Trostle
Mr. Niedringhaus Mr. Peters
  Ms. Edwards

The motion failed.

Mr. Brugman discussed the proposed changes in the Mount Vernon District listed on Sheet 9.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that Items 1 and 2 (Gunston Hall and Gunston Cove Rd.) be designated Major Paved Trails. Mr. Brodtman seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that Item 3 (Furnace Rd) be designated Major Paved Trails. Mr. Brodtman seconded the motion.

The vote was:

YES No Abstained
Mr. Niedringhaus Mr. Trostle None
Ms. Edwards    
Mr. Peters    
Mr. Matos    
Mr. Shannon    
Mr. McLaren    
Mr. Brugman    
Mr. Brodtman    
Mr. Wright    
Ms. Lanham    
Ms. Bennett    
Ms. Leser    

The motion passed.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that Item 4 (Rolling Rd) be designated Major Paved Trails. Mr. Brodtman seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that Item 5 (Pohick Rd) be designated Major Paved Trails. Mr. Brodtman seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that Item 6 (J Kingman Rd), 7 (Gunston Rd), and 8 (Theote Rd.) be designated Major Paved Trails. Mr. Brodtman seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.

Ms. Lanham left the meeting at this time.

Mr. Leu requested that the committee note on Sheet 11, Springfield that the future trail plan map note that all current equestrian trails be constructed as natural surface. Ms. Edwards was concerned that this would preclude the use of stone dust when appropriate. No action was taken.

MOTION: In light of the late hour, Ms. Leser moved that all Sully District items on Sheet 12 (Compton Road, Colonial Gas Line Easement, Little Rocky Run Stream Valley, Old Centreville Road, McLearen Rd, Willard Rd., Route 28, Walney Rd, Utility Easement between Old Mill Rd and Union Mill Rd, Government Center Parkway, and Shirley Gate Rd. and Shirley Gate Extension) be changed as listed on the sheet. Ms. Bennett seconded the motion. Mr. Shannon asked if any of the items on the sheet were in the R-C zoning district. Ms. Leser stated that parts of Items 1, 2, 3, and 4 were probably in the R-C zoning district. Mr. Shannon stated that he had a problem with paved trails in that district. Ms. Leser asked Mr. Shannon to show on the map which trails he was concerned about. Mr. Shannon did not identify any specific trails but reiterated his opposition to paved trails in the R-C. Ms. Leser expressed her disappointment that a member of the committee would oppose a trail without familiarizing himself with that trail and due to outside influence. A question arose concerning the description of Item 13. Shirley Gate Rd. is described on the sheet as from Braddock Rd. to Braddock Rd. After consultation with Mr. Leu, the description was changed to from Shirley Gate Rd. to Braddock Road. Ms. Leser called for the question.

The vote was:

YES No Abstained
Bennett Shannon Niedringhaus
Wright Edwards  
Leser Peters  
Matos Trostle  
Brodtman    
Brugman    
McLaren    

The motion passed.

The committee agreed to continue the review at the regular meeting on October 11.

Mr. Brugman asked the committee to discuss the Infill Task Force recommendations due to the fact that that committee's report would be acted on next week also. Mr. Brugman asked the committee to write the task force and recommend that major paved trail, as discussed in TR 4 A of the report, replace sidewalks. He also asked that all areas zoned r-2 be required to have minor paved trail (sidewalks). Mr. Trostle stated that NVBIA would oppose the requirement that major paved trail be constructed on all collector roads that could be bus routes - which is the requirement under discussion.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that the committee contact the Infill Task Force and ask that all areas zoned R-2 be required to have minor paved trail. Mr. Wright seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously.

MOTION: Mr. Brugman moved that the committee contact the Infill Task Force and ask that the report recommend that all collector roads that could become bus routes be required to have major paved trail.

The vote was:

YES No Abstained
Mr. McLaren Mr. Shannon Ms. Leser
Mr. Wright Mr. Matos Ms. Bennett
Mr. Brodtman Mr. Trostle  
Mr. Brugman Mr. Peters  
  Ms. Edwards  
  Mr. Niedringhaus  

Ms. Bennett asked Mr. Leu whether the changes to the cluster development process would limit the construction of trails. Mr. Leu stated that he thought that the trails would still be required under the subdivision process.

The meeting was adjourned at 10:50 PM.

Deborah Rimmer Leser, Secretary

 


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