March 10, 2004 Minutes - Trails and Sidewalks Committee


Non-motorized Transportation Committee Meeting

March 10, 2004 - meeting minutes by Robert Michie

Call To Order by Bruce Wright (Chair) at 7:35 p.m.

Attendees: Michael Brennan (Braddock); Bruce Wright (Hunter Mill); Robert Michie (Lee); Donald Emerson (Providence); Christopher O'Brien (Mason); Michael Shannon (Springfield); Walter Brodtman (WABA); Jenny Pate (Park Authority); Mimi Murray and Paul Johnson (DOT); Sheng-Jieh Leu (DPZ).

February Minutes Minutes Adopted Unanimously

Staff Reports

  • DPZ - Sheng Leu Schedule for March 29, 30, and 31: Public Hearing for Capital Improvement Program. Budget Request for Transport $165M, of which the trails portion is $5M. We can get access to planimetric photography (Aerial Photos 2003) on the County's G: Drive from four directions: N-S-E-W. This photography is used to investigate zoning violations, etc. The full service is available on the County network only. Mr. Leu can possibly make prints on demand. (Note: a similar service is available from the GIS Home Page on the Fairfax County website.)
  • DOT - Chris Wells Mimi Murray - looking for location suggestions for new pedistrian safety warning signs ($100 to $500 fine warning signs). Crosswalk must be present. Posted speed must be 35 mph or less, unless at a signalized intersection, in which case the speed could be anything. Make recommendations “sometime soon.” We are welcome to give input for the prioritization of trails on the $5M portion of bond (See 3a above). The Pedestrian Task Force is running, but it needs another Trails member.

Chair Report

Bruce will testify at the Board of Supervisors budget hearings on March 30. Bruce will write testimony, and circulate for comment. Here are some ideas:

  • No funds in Sidewalk and Trails for two years. He won't ask for specific amount.
  • Critical needs have to be met.
  • Board has done good work on Route 1 and Pedestrian Task Forces.
  • Interim Schools Superintendent Draeger can be expected to make a budget case for caring for the kids. We can argue that kids need trails to be safe, for protection from obesity, and for exercise.
  • Encourage neighborhoods to speak for trails.
  • Clean Air
  • Photos of full bike racks.
  • Compare how much we are not spending against Montgomery and Prince Georges Counties, and the Town of Vienna.

New Business

  • Transportation Bond Prioritization Trails and New Projects: Bruce will send response from Committee (as received so far) to Ahmed Rayyan. We have one request from Route 7. Prioritization of Trails in Board Action Dec 8 2003. Projects should be doable (little utility disturbance) and minimize opposition from landowners (in VDOT right-away).
    • Ahmed said that presentation on two trails totaled $17M . Maybe Pedestrian Task Force would go to the hearing in support of it.
    • Ahmed says NMTC needs to propose about $5M of projects from this list.
    • Ahmed says talking to the "right person" might get the $5M increased. It also could be decreased too, says Jenny Pate.
    • Jenny Pate said that we need to find key projects, links in the network. “Local ones and global ones.” She suggests capital improvements. Signage is not a capital improvement. Michael Shannon wanted to know the cost of the big list items. Jenny says that we must focus on missing segments. Bruce Wright wants to give the big list items to DOT to compare to existing trail network, and see how they fit. DOT then could make a suggestion.
    • Ahmed suggests that a portion go to county-wide and the rest to district projects. Michael Shannon says we should pick the best ones, and Donald Emerson says we should pick the best segments. Ahmed says that he will do that.
  • Fair Lee Development across from Vienna Metro station.: Don Emerson (Providence). Committee looked at pedestrian and bike access to metro. Has recommendations for the 48-3 and 48-4 quad. Attended a working group meeting tonight.
  • Federal Funds for trails Walter says meeting scheduled with Rep Moran Staff on trails in his district (MT Vernon trail, Humpback Bridge near Pentagon). He is looking for ideas. Someone asked for funds for a pedestrian bridge over the Dulles Toll Road. (Look for email).

Old Business

  • Michael Brennan (Braddock): Would like to add Florence Naeve to Agenda for responding to citizen requests. She will come to the next meeting.

Adjournment at 8:30. Next Meeting April 14.


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