July 15, 2005 Minutes - Trails and Sidewalks Committee


Non-motorized Transportation Committee Meeting

Members Present: Allan Jones (Braddock), Wade Smith (Dran_e_sville), Bruce Wright (Hunter Mill), Michael Shannon (Springfield), Mary Flowers (Clifton Horse Society), Dan Iglhaut (NVRPA), Rebecca Cate (FCFCA), Kevin Brugman (Mount Vernon), Dennis Frew (WABA)

Staff Present: Mimi Murray (FDOT), Sheng Leu (DPZ

I. Call to Order

Bruce Wright called the meeting to order at 7:30 p.m.

II. Approval of Minutes for Meeting of June 8, 2005

Minutes approved unanimously.

III. Staff Reports

DPZ Sheng Leu handed out a table "2005 DPWES Decision on Trail Waiver Request" and a new member roster. It was noted that the waiver request table had been expanded to include a comments column. These comments would give a better understanding of why a waiver was or was not approved. Wade Smith commented that it appears that Providence District seems to approve waivers without checking with NMTC. Currently there is no representative from Providence District. Wade Smith also suggested that waiver requests be put on a website. Apparently Bob Michie puts waivers in Lee District on a website that he maintains. Micheal Shannon commented that stream valley waivers should be referred to NMTC district representatives. Currently they are handled by the county park authority. Sheng Leu will copy the district representatives on stream valley waivers that he sends to the park authority.

Sheng Leu also noted that the National Park Service is having two open meetings for scoping of the extension of the Mount Vernon Trail. The meetings will be held on July 20 at Key Elementary School in Arlington and on the 21^st at the McLean Community Center. Both meetings are from 7 to 9 p.m. He also noted that the NPS plans to make a trail 9' wide while VDOT recommends trails be 10' wide.

FDOT Mimi Murray put up a map showing the location of pedestrian injuries and fatalities. She noted that the bus stop inventory has been completed. Bruce Wright asked if this would be available on the web. He also felt that it would be helpful to know which bus stops are in each of the Supervisory Districts. Mimi Murray will send out the latest information regarding the current status of bonds and projects.

In a discussion on enforcement by police vehicles in violation at pedestrian crossings, Bruce Wright inquired whether any tickets had been issued for violation to the new $500 pedestrian warning signs. Apparently to date only warnings had been issued. Bruce suggested that the committee needs to have discussions with the county police regarding pedestrian crossing enforcement, ticketing vehicles rather than just pedestrians for jaywalking.

NMTC/TAC Joint meeting report

Rebecca Cate said that the meeting was long and further meetings are planned. TAC recommended better defining of terms. There were a number of comments regarding the plan. Apparently the Board of Supervisors has requested an explanation of TAC and NMTC comments. There was a lengthy discussion of details of the joint meeting.

Bylaws Discussion

Bruce Wright commented that he had located a memo showing the history of how the bylaws came about. He noted that the charter also needs to be updated. The updated bylaws and charter would need approval of the Board of Supervisors. Discussion was also had on whether the Disabilities Service Board should be represented on the NMTC or should a representative be invited to attend the NMTC meetings. The NMTC agreed to invite the Disabilities Service Board to be represented on the committee.

It was discussed whether making a report to the Board of Supervisors in the first part to the year rather than at the end of the year. It was felt that too many items are sent to the Board at the end of the year and the first part of the year was a better time for such reports. Allan Jones suggested that the committee needs to better publicize its activities so it can be more proactive and do some outreach. Perhaps funding could be found to do this. Allan also inquired about procedures for adding new trails and after some discussion the suggestion was that Sheng Leu writes up procedures on how new trails would be added.

Chair Report

Fairfax DOT is having Transportation Planning on July 16th at 9:30 a.m. and July 21st at 7:30 p.m. Wade Smith suggested that the committee look at trails plans requirements relating to the Tysons area. What bike facilities will be there be in the new Tysons area?

New Business

Wade Smith noted that Tysons Corner Center has requested a waiver of a bike trail along the ring road around the center.

Michael Shannon noted that the Burke Lake Trail was mentioned as one of the top ten fitness trails by the American Hiking Society.

There will be no meeting in August. The next meeting will be Wednesday September 14, 2005.


The meeting was adjourned at 9:15 p.m.

Meeting minutes by Dennis Frew


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